I just returned from Summer Outdoor Retailer Show in Salt Lake City meeting with our suppliers and vendors to discuss new products and current developments and production schedules.
I had a meeting with Marco Zamberlan a third generation Italian boot maker and CEO of Zamberlan, based in Pievebelvicino di Torrebelvicino, Italy. His family has been making boots and shoes since 1929.
Marco and his team lead the Mountaineering industry in design, technology and innovation. They continue to push the boundaries further than any other boot maker in the world.
Marco and I sat down to talk boots, boot making, innovation, design, technology and Mountain Hunting. I discussed the opportunity to bridge the gap between high-end mountaineering boots and Mountain Hunting boots.
My vision is to develop a boot that reduces weight and increase performance through technology and design. Marco has several incredible innovations for his most technical high-level Mountaineering boots that I want to combine to create the most advanced technical Mountain Hunting boot in the world.
We discussed the opportunity for both companies and Marco agreed to work with me to design and develop this boot. A boot that not only withstands the stress and demands of technical mountain hunting under heavy loads but excels at it. This boot will only be available at through KUIU.
This is a very exciting opportunity to work with the finest boot designer on the planet. Marco has invited me to come to the factory and show me how Zamberlan builds the best boot in the world.
I will be covering this development here on the blog so you can follow along as we go through the process and testing and work together in the factory.
Please learn more about Zamberlan at www.zamberlan.com
I would like your help and comments in designing this boot with Marco. Please let me know what you want in a technical mountain hunting boot:
Height
Weight
Features
Stiffness
Use
Breathability
Crampon Compatable
ETC>>>>>>>
I will compile a Design Brief with your comments and ideas as well as mine to discuss with Marco.
Thank you in advance for your help. This will be a fun development project. I know I am excited.
Jason
Can i get on the pre-order list now???
Me too?!?
I will let you know when we are ready to begin to take pre-orders. Thank you for your commitment to KUIU and this project.
Jason
Exciting news. Here are my technical concerns:
Lightweight
Breathability
Versatility (summer, winter…I’m a cheapskate)
I am in to minimal shoe designs like Inov-8…so a durable, thin sole is nice
Gore-Tex
No laces
Won’t smell after a month in the backcountry
Thank you Joshua!
Jason,
My problem with European boots is they normally don’t accomodate my 4EEEE width. It would be great if you guys can do custom sizing or build a wide boot. The other alternative is I lop off a toe, but that seems a little extreme.
Marc
Hi Marc,
I believe you will be able to order any size you want. This should not be a problem.
Jason
Those guys do make killer boots. You’re an animal, Jason. Keep it up! We’ll put our heads together over hear. Cheers!
Thanks Brad!
Not sure enough about the other options, but here is what I personally would be looking for.
Height:
10″
Features:
High rubber rand surrounding the entire boot to protect from rocks
100% waterproof & breathable
Crampon Compatible
Not RED like the above boot. : )
I’d prefer an insulated boot, 200-400gr max, but perhaps would be nice to offer both an insulated and a non-insulated version.
Boots I would compare against:
Cabela’s Alaskan Hunter by Meindl (my current boot, excellent boot for me with 3+ years of use and going strong)
LOWA Sheep Hunter
Kennetrek Mountain Extreme
Thanks Matt! This is very helpful!
Stiff as stiff
and light as light.
Agreed! This is what I am shooting for!
Different sole/ lug pattern options would be nice.
Noted Keith.
-light
-rubber around the entire bottom to keep the sole and body together
-NO gortex or any other kind of waterproof mumbo jumbo…waterproof boots are great if you come home at night or are in a wall tent…not so good when you cross waist deep creek and your boots stay wet for a week and your living in a bivy tent.
-not overly stiff
-resole-able
-light
-Pink and not red…just for Matt
-not $400 a pair…boots are outrageous
-and did i mention light?
cheers,
Mike
Thanks Mike. I was hoping for a pink Vias pattern..
Noted Mike. These boots will be very expensive.
J
Follow up to my previous post. I think there is a niche market for a boot manufacturer to make wide boots. I know several members in my chapter of the Safari Club have the same problem as I. Although the market is smaller for hunting boots, New Balance running shoes has had considerable success in selling their shoes in a variety of widths. I currently wear Lowa Tibets, but had to get a larger size to accomodate the width. Still not a great fit.
Well noted Marc! Thank you.
Jason
Me and my 10.5 EEE feet will second that!
Larry are your feet webbed?
Nope, just wide…although comments have been made about hobbits at times.
Jason-
Yet another AMAZING IDEA, from your mind!
As ‘always’, my suggestions are quite predictable, being so tall, requires a big foot.
My current Kenetrek Mountain Extremes in size 14 M,
are the best fitting boot my foot has ever been in.
However, if my size was available, by the time this boot has
come to life and is available. I would give it a spin, here in the harsh high deserts of Arizona.
Because the size is so big for me- Lightweight would be the Top Priority, (it is the ONLY thing I dislike about my current boot, weight). Following Lightweight in order, would be- Aggressive tread pattern, support (for fully loaded backpacks, off trail), and durability.
Thanks for asking, and I Very Much look forward to the progress of this Endeavor!
JMV
Thanks Jeff for your feedback. If you preorder this boot we can offer any size.
J
OK… Put me on the ‘pre-order list’!!!
I failed to mention some other ‘requests’, as- I was caught up in the excitement, of this VENTURE.
First- Re-soleable tread (would be much appreciated)
Second- Having such an amazing company,(Zamberlan) willing to partner, with a ’2nd yr. online company’… SPEAKS LOUDLY, as to your Creation, KUIU!
Third- ‘Building KUIU’, is by far, the most amazing BLOG on the internet for hunters!!!
It is AMAZING how far this has come!!! And, as a person always in search of knowledge; I have yet to find anywhere, that has such great people,(making informed, well written comments, and little/to NO, ill-fated comments).
BUILDING KUIU- Is my leading source of knowledge in hunting! I thank you (for designing it), and all that add information with their posts.
Simply an Amazing place to learn and be heard!!!
JMV
I’ll second the resolable tread idea. Meant to mention that in my post but forgot. Nothing worse than getting a pair of boots or shoes that are broken in and fit just right and then have to ditch them when the molded on sole wears thin. Also, since a good pair of boots is normally a financial investment it’s nice to be able to extend their useful life with a new sole when needed.
Well noted Larry!
Hi Jeff,
Lets wait until we get a bit further along for the pre-order list. I want to take you through the process before you decided if this is going to be your boot.
Jason
Jason-
YES, of course!!! My enthusiasm, always has a few
nano-second lead, on my cognate mind!
I DO LOOK FORWARD- To see more on this!!!
Be Well Friend-
Safest of Travel, and Straightest of shooting, on your ADVENTURE!!!
JMV
Sorry I missed you Jason, I was at the other end of the show bouncing between appts.
Great news for you to meet Marco, he is a wonderful person and even better boot builder, take him up on the offer to see the factory and there retail store is world class. Get ready to drink lots of Prosecco and Grappa!!
I’m excited about the joint venture of the brands….
Salute’
Thanks Tyler for your help in making this happen. Marco is an impressive person and I look forward to working with him.
Jason
Jason,
Since boots are probably the most individual piece of gear we each use please make sure to offer it in a variety of sizes AND widths so that we can all benefit from this.
Along this same individual / customizable approach you might want to offer these as a quasi-custom boot with a base boot having the inovations you mentioned with options for:
~ Different options for arches, maybe with the ability to pick an insole that matched your arch needs, would be a nice thing to include too.
~ Different heights; I’ve got relatively short legs so a 10″ boot would extend up onto my calf, so I would vote for 8″ or a choice of heights.
~ Different soles; airbob, vibram, soft for stalking, etc.
As for general characteristics:
~ Definitely water proof and breathable and lightweight.
~ Comfortable enough for walking hours with dozens of pounds on your back while giving the support needed to your ankles.
~ A lacing system them keeps the foot from moving around in the boot when going uphill, or downhill, or sidehill.
Hi Larry! Great to hear from you. Thank you for all the details.
Jason
I would love to see a boot that has plenty of room across the toe area (Kind of like Keens). If you look at most boots on the market the toe area rounds inward, yet on most people the toe area is the widest part of their foot. Look at how vibram five fingers are so wide at the front. Toes weren’t meant to be pinched in.
Right now, I have to put a leather working bar inside my boots and stretch the crap out of the big toe area (pushing out). This isn’t nearly as possible with a toe rand!!! Which means the boots I have to wear get trashed on mountain rocks.
A lightweight, boot with a rand, and toes that are wide enough without having to get a wide EE size (I have narrow heals) would be a no brainer for me. I really wouldn’t care what they cost.
Well noted and thank you Brandon.
J
8″ high
Sub 3#
Doesnt have to be leather
Doesnt have to be in camo finish
Medium stiffness in ankle, but a nice comfortable flex from toe to heel
Goretex/Waterproof
Re-solable,
Rubber Rand to protect lower portion of boot at toe and heel.
Non-Insulated and lightweight insulated versions
Wide widths
Durable eyelets/lace hooks/Laces!!!!
And for a lacing system, some way to lock the arch laces independently from the ankle laces.
I have a pr of Hanwag Alaskan GTX’s that are great, but heavy.
Something like their Cristallo, lhasa, or Baffin in a lightweight version would be nice.
Noted Rod! Thank you.
J
Interesting Jason! You have associated, like usual, with a top end partner. I will be greatly interested to see where this partnership goes. Why, because Zamberlan is a Gore-Tex partner as well. I would actually like to see Zamberlan make you a boot with Toray! We need a boot that is waterproof, but breaths very well. In my experience, which I am sure is less than may others, tearing around in rocky sheep/goat country here in Colorado a full rand boot is mandatory. However, above the rand I’ve experienced very little wear on my Meindl’s. So, I would like to see a boot similar to the one pictured except the 3000 series. Use the Toray softshell as the built-in gaiter and whatever Toray waterproof membrane applicable for footwear. Vias camo shouldn’t be a problem if using softshell for the outer boot/gaiter. Should be pretty sweet. Just my 2cents…looking forward to it!
Hi Don. I would like a Toray laminate as well, but unfortunately they do not make a footwear liner. Your comments are well noted. Thank you.
J
Jason,
You got Toray to design a new fabric for the gaiters, can’t you talk them into making a new footwear liner?
Shane
I am interested to see what you come up with. I think the toughest nut to crack will be the fit. No matter how good the boot is, it has got to fit the users feet. Based on my (limited) experience, this seems to be the final issue in deciding which boot to buy for most people. I have narrow feet and high arches. I really need a “B” width, but they are like hen’s teeth so I suffer along. Trying my vast collection of different footbeds in new boots helps.
Here is what I prefer:
Height: 8-inch
Insulation: None for warmer weather and 400 grams for winter.
Lacing angle: As accute and close to the toe as possible.
Shank: Full-length, stiff and durable.
I like a high rubber rand. Crampon compatable is a must too. It needs to be waterproof. Hardware and a tongue that are squeek-proof would be nice too. While light-weight is nice, it is weight (lol) down the list so don’t skimp on the design to cut ounces.
The boots I like the best are Hanwag Alaska GTX and my second favorite are the LOWA Sheep Hunters.
Do you think these will be ready for the 2013 season?
Well noted George. These will be available Spring 2013. You will be able to order you size and width as well.
Jason
Great idea Jason! I currently am running the Zamberlan Viozz 1006 because of the wide/deeper toe box. They are well built boots, but have one flaw. They are too short to effectively lock one’s heel in place with the relatively stiff sole/shank of this boot and the soft top of the back of the boot top (= heel blisters when climbing uphill). The Viozz 1009 would be a much better height boot but has the insulation (the only reason I didn’t get it).
For the backcountry hunter, I would like a boot of medium stiffness, with a good replaceable sole that has some traction on wet rocks(so will necessarily wear a little faster), no Gortex, no insulation (wool socks can be removed and dried), light weight “real” leather which can be waterproofed with wax instead of flamable silicon spray, full or at least over the toe rubber rand, wide toe box option, deep toe box to support good aftermarket insoles, and about 7-8″ tall.
Hi Mike, thank you. This is great feed back I will pass along to Marco regarding the height and your other comments.
J
- ~6″
- Weight below 3 lbs for the pair
- No GORETEX, make it breath and dry quickly, they are going to get wet anyway
- I like the full rubber rand, but not necessary
- Don’t get too cute with lace attachment, ASOLO has a nice lace system, ship them with flat laces
- 3/4 shank type stiffness, split the differences between a ski boot and a tennis shoe, I don’t want to feel scree/shale, but I need some flex
- Medium width and volume, but since lots of guys like to buy insoles I would consider volume in that context or put some real effort into the insole
- No insulation! I have other boots for sitting in a treestand, I simply won’t wear insulated boots when moving in the mountains
- Full grain leather, synthetics just don’t hold up
- Capable of being resoled, always a nice option
- Target pack weight: 50-60 pounds with occasionally heavier loads
- Brass hardware if possible
Best of luck…
Thanks Josh, well noted and I appreciate your input. Good stuff.
Jason
Height – 8″ give or take
Weight – As light as you can make them without sacrificing stability.
Features – Not leather but a Cordura Synthetic material. It is lighter weight and breathes better.
Stiffness – More stiff than most boots. I really don’t mind a little flex in the toe like Crispi boots have but I want lateral rigidity side to side. Like what a Vibram Dolomit sole would give you.
Use- Steep and tough terrain during bow season. I want them to be able to carry heavy loads of 120 lbs and have a lot of support.
Breath ability- Not sure what to say here, of course I want them to be breathable.
Crampon- No opinion but would like them to be stiff enough that strap on’s would work.
I just don’t like leather due to the weight and being less breathable. I also think if done correctly you can have them still be a durable boot. If you were going to do 2 boots, a late and early season boot I would say leather on the late season boots would be fine.
Thanks Cameron. Marco is using a Cordura and Kevlar fabric on his highest end mountaineering boots and it saves weight and increases breathability. He said they have had nothing but super positive results using this fabric.
Jason
Jason,
If you can create a boot that is light, durable, and doesnt rub blisters like alot of stiff boots do, you’ll really be onto something. I dont wear mountaineering boots because of the blister issues i have with them. Different socks, tighten, loosen, fit, size didnt matter. Always got blisters. I tried alot of brands, never found one to work correctly. Sportivas wore blisters the worst.
Good luck on your boot endeavour.
Thanks W. B., I agree this has to be a very comfortable boot or it fails.
Jason
I don’t have the luxury of mountain hunting yet, but I think the boot pictured above would look sweet in Vias Camo! Go for it, I will be very interested in the finished product.
Thanks Kyle for your input.
J
Oh, side note i forgot. Be careful on the height of the boot. Alot of people have different sized calves which changes the way they wear the boots and proper fit. Too tall with muscular calves=a poor fit. Just a point of view.
Great point W. B.
In general, I like Josh’s point about supporting a target pack weight of 50-60 pounds — not sure what specs would meet that goal, but that’s a good guiding principle. Also I would assume that the 60 pound pack is being carried on unstable/uneven ground, which I assume would mean stiffer = better.
I like 10″ height. Or at least 8″. I would never trust a 6″ boot to support my ankles under a load.
Yes on Goretex.
Yes on leather.
Yes on full rubber rand.
Yes on insulation (400 gr thinsulate approx) — my feet don’t get hot when I’m walking, but they do get cold when glassing or in camp.
I think support is way more important than light weight.
Thanks Alex for your input. Your points are well taken.
Jason
Wishlist:
- Combined weight for the pair of boots 3lbs or less
- Waterproof
- Uninsulated
- “Grippy” rubber sole that doesn’t slip on smooth/wet rock
- If there’s stitching, make it triple
- Laces need open hooks on the uppers, not closed loops
- Heel needs to roll smoothly when you walk
- No sharp corners on the heel tread that can catch/rip rain pants
- Use non-slip laces (Google “SOFSOLE Non-Slip Shoelaces” to see a great example of a lace design that works)
Make it great!
–MATT
Thanks Matt for taking the time to comment.
Jason
Light, Light, Light. Nothing wears on your morale when hunting like trying to lift your heavy feet over the 15,000th downed tree. Based on the beetle kill here in Colorado, you might be crossing that number by lunch in the next few years. Good ankle support is also a must. However, stretch/flex in the right places as sometimes things get pinchy on top of the ankle while flexing your feet at extreme angles found when walking up a mountain. I’m not a doctor, but I’m talking about that tendon(?) that bulges out in front when picking your toes up as high as they can go. Oh, and did I mention they should be light?
Hey Kevin, light is well noted. Thank you for your comment, points well noted.
Jason
It is a dream to have boots that serve our purpose. On extreme (mouontain) hunts, we have no back up. Should serve all needs. At a minimum, in my opinion, it needs to be:
10 inches
Must be Better & Lighter than Mindl and Kenetrek
Light weight is key to selling to yor custome line
Shale & Sharp rock resistant
Agrresive enough o cling to rocks on sidehills
Breathable & water proof
Insulation (if any) to cover 20 to 60 dgree comfort
consider new cable design for laces.
High quality insole to last more than one or two hunts
take out the oute colors. Some color on bottom is OK
Crampons compatible only if does not add to much cost
keep it und $300
If you dcide to mae it, be sur it is out by next season.
Masoud
Hi Masoud,
Thank you for your comment. In my initial talks with Marco, this boot is going to sell for around $500. I know this is expensive but we are going to cut no corners to meet a price targe. I hope you can understand.
Jason
I have a pair of Zamberlan boots, the best boots I have ever owned. And I have owned a lot. I have odd heels that always get blistered, but the Zamberlans fit my feet perfectly. The two most important things for me would be:
1. A leather liner. Molds to your foot and manages moisture better than synthetics. And much more comfortable.
2. No Gore-tex or any other waterproof liner. Keeps your feet cold and wet from sweet and takes forever to dry out.
I live in the rainy northwest and have had my non gore-tex, leather lined Zamberlans in the wetest conditions around, and my feet have always been happy. I will never buy a pair of gore-tex boots again.
Well noted Eric! Thank you.
Jason
Awesome! I look forward to getting a pair when they come out.
Thanks Steve. I will let you know when we begin taking preorders.
Jason
Currently wearing Vasque Wasatch for nearly all outdoor activities. Great breathability in conjunction with a high quality moisture wicking sock. (Perhaps another Kuiu product possibility?) I would consider these 98% water proof. Vibram sole has never failed me with any boot. I also have a pair of Vasque Breeze but they’ve been sitting in the box since I bought them 2 years ago.
Man Jason you deft reach for the stars with making the best products all around for us and kuiu! Look forward to seeing the new boot!
I think this is a great idea. For me I like
around 8” height
lightweight,
uninsulated,
must breath very well as well as waterproof which is hard to do I know.
Rubber rand all around would be nice but mainly needed on toe area.
also good lacing system to hold heel where it should be.
8″-10″ tall
Waterproof breathable
Extra warm in the toes
Laces hidden maybe a ratcheting system if they are good
Narrow sizes
Fairly light no exact weights
Stiff In the ankles
Tough toe cap
Stiff but sticky outsole
Soft midsole
Except different insoles “super feet” ect.
Different weights of insulation 2,4,6,800 grams
Good wool sock liners and socks to go with boots
Height – 9”, maybe 10”
Weight – not a big deal, anything under 3.5 lbs/pair would be good; fit, performance and durability rule
Features – full rubber rand, continue laces low onto the foot, high quality hardware that is easy on laces
Stiffness – offers substantial support while also feeling nimble, the perfect balance lol
Use – early season hunting, scouting, backpacking (in the mountains of course)
Breathability – more emphasis on a durable, long lasting waterproof membrane than a breathable one
Crampon Compatible – sure, why not
Insulation – none
Fit – needs to be superb, great heel lock
Other – long lasting conditioner/waterproof treatment and one designed to be re-applied in the backcountry, removable insoles
My preferences, in order:
1. Lightweight
1a. Waterproof
2. Breathable
3. Good support, stiff sole.
4. Uninsulated
3. 8″ preferred but 10″ OK
I have used a number of different boots by various manufacturers over the years. Lately I was a Lowa Sheephunter GTX guy, but late last fall I bought some Hanwag Mountain Lite GTXs and took them to Mt Loosimingor and Mt Lengai in Tanzania in November. They are EXACTLY the weight, fit, breathability and comfort I would be looking for from a KUIU/ZAMBERLAN offering for mountain hunting here in BC and in the Yukon, but I think they could be improved upon from the materials and waterproofing perspective. Check them out.
Cheers!
Chris
Personally?
A close copy of ‘La Sportiva Crossover GTX Trail Runners’ only
ON STEROIDS…a lighter Thinsulate or Un-Insulated maybe.
Add rubber rand around the base and some sidewall stiffness for sidehilling and you will have my ‘Pre-Order’…
THANK YOU Jason-you are a Warrior
Darin
Brilliant idea!! I think the boot pictured is cool, but maybe in brown mainly. I like the idea of having the protective cover that totally covers up the lacing. I think 10″ and maybe an 8″ version would be good. I am not a fan of just gore tex for waterproofing….I don’t think you can beat leather that has been treated for keeping out the water.
Good luck!!
Jeff
1. Light weight
2. Waterproof
3. Minimal insulation
4. Toe cap
5. Durable
6. Fit low volume feet!
No gortex. Event or something actually breathable. Heel lock and re-soleable. Did I mention no gortex?
Much will differ with the environment, but light-weight (the market is awash in diver’s boots) and no Gore-Tex.
Fit is important. A killer feature would be custom fit – just wishing upon a star here. Depending on the production methods, it shouldn’t be too difficult to get accurate feet mesurements by way of the Internet.
Outsoles that are soft and nimble enough to let the feet do their stuff while stiff enough to handle heavy loads. Insoles – extras that I replace anyway. Throw them out and shave a few cents off the price.
You could do worse than just beefing up the soles of Bates Zero Mass (my current favorite since my environment doesn’t include a lot of sharp, pointy things or heavy loads), and replacing or covering the Cordura with Toray products.
And no Gore-Tex. Perfectly happy with warm, wet feet in wool as long as the socks dry out once there is a dry spell. Hmm, there is that layering thing again…
8″ to 6″ in height, no higher, no lower.
Keep it simple. Any high-tech stuff stays inside the boot, not snagging stuff on the outside. Having a shoe-lace break due to a locking lace-system with (get this) sharp metal edges does not make me a repeat customer.
Use whatever honest materials necessary, but no … well, you might guess by now
1. Lateral stiffness
2. Good support (cork footbed with spacer to use once worn in)
3. Waterproof (How about a smooth top so I can use rock guards to seal out water better when crossing streams)
4. Light
5. Good lacing system
Thanks for asking
This is an awsome oportunity for you guys.
1. I stvie to find boots that are NOT goretex lined or any other lining. They may attmept to keep water out but my biggest problem is breathablity and letting water out in August and Septmber.
2. A soft sole that will grip rocks well and be quiet while getting close.
3. Light weight
4. An eight or ten inch top would be fine.
5. Lacing hooks instead of eyelets.
6. I prefer a removable insole, so they can be swapped out dayly for moisture control.
Thanks for looking for input.
An inner sole that prevents fatigue in the arch of the foot.
Stiffness to reduce foot and ankle roll over.
Great news,
I can see myslef clad head to toe in Kuiu gear,
I really like Meindl boots but will definettelly buy a Kuiu/Zamberlan boot, in Vias camo.
This is the best news I’ve heard all year. Zamberlan are about the only brand that fit my feet well. I have the Voiz and really like the comfort and durability so far. I am really glad that Zamberlan will be looking into making a hunting specific boot finally.
I would like to see a cold weather insulated hunting boot. The voiz are great for summer scouting, but as soon as the snow hits they are no good.
The tread on the front of the boot is less than ideal, it needs to be more aggressive. I find myself slipping a little too much while using them.
The tread at the toe of the boot seems to be peeling away from the boot, maybe a stronger glue or seam would be worth looking into.
Those are my only real concerns for a Zamberlan hunting boot. Whatever they weight to get the job done is fine with me
One last after thought, If you can incorporate a Lathrop and sons in-sole into the design then two thumbs up.
I’d like to see the following;
1. Lightweight as possible without effecting quality & durability
2. Can handle heavy loads
3. Good tread for climbing on wet rocks
4. Able to survive a few seasons of hardcore hunting.
5. Good ankle support
6. Waterproof
Agree 8″
Agree on the rand
Agree leather
Disagree on synthetics, they do not last around granite and sandstone
Agree on increased toebox volume
Agree resoleable
Agree on softer composite sole for grip on wet rock
Agree having bottom eyelets close to toe
Agree ability to tighten around instep and ankle without choking the calf
Recommend 70lbs pack wt be the average
Thanks for taking our input.
I think the key here is to take an advanced mountaineering boot and find a way to tone it back to make it into a mountain hunting boot, not take a hunting boot and add a few features to make it more of a mountain boot.
Where most boots fall short is with a poorly designed and sloppy heal cup. And don’t get me started on the paper thin insoles.
Taking a feature from mountaineering boots how about an adjustable tongue. Lets you further customize the boot to your foot and are removable if not needed or desired.
Material: leather & synthetic mix, leather in high wear areas and synthetic for lighter weight and less stretch
Height: 7″-8″
Weight: 3.5 lbs or less
Insulation: NO. If you just have to have some then 200gr max.
Features: full rand, excellent lacing system
Stiffness: full shank, come on it’s a mountain boot
Use: Jason, you’ve already stated this in your write up “advanced technical mountain hunting boot”. Now you just have to stay the coarse.
Breathability: yes please
Crampon Compatible: I’m yet to use crampons, but if you’re creating a technical mountain boot then they better be crampon compatible
Great company to partner with Jason! Yet another to add to the list and I’ll order some for my 2013 Dall Sheep hunt for sure. A narrow fit is a must for me and I’ve struggled to find a boot yet that will fit my foot good. The key to me is to have a light boot that maintains a stiffness but allows one flexability so that you don’t burn out your calves but can flex the footbed and use your quads and hams the biggest and strongest of your leg muscles when climbing. I think the built in gator is a great idea and with it you could not use a Gore-Tex bootie but use the Toray for the exterior bootie/gator.
Keep the heel profile square – it lets you plunge/kick steps better and gives more control when crossing steep crusty snow.
Rounded edges on the sole can make a boot treacherous.
Great idea.
I’d like to add: 3/4 length shank. Lets your toes flex but gives stablity and protects your feet on sharp scree/talus.
As Marc Fong said – wide sizes. Zamberlan’s boots today run pretty narrow and there’s no way I could wear them. I have a very hard time finding any mountain boots that fit. The only boot I’ve ever had that fit well was a New Balance light hiker (don’t make any more) and they were praised (backpacker gear of the year) for their sizing options. Most EE are not that wide, so a 4EEEE option is the only way I’d even consider trying them. Besides that – I like lightweight, rubber rands, leather, goretex, stiff shank.
Great idea Jason, I think a 10 inch fairly stiff but also flexible boot would be great. Maybe a early season bow hunting boot that is breathable and ultra light weight, and a late season boot that is insulated and breathable. Both in vias camo. you should also look into the Boa lace system like the korkers wading shoes,just an idea the system makes it extremely easy to cinch down and to take off. Keep up the great work reinventing a new handle on hunting gear Thanks.
Jason,
This is fantastic. I currently use a pair of Zamberlan alpine boots as my main hunting boot and love them. I agree with many of the posts re. the full rand being a necessity but I would consider going with a boot that is stiff enough but doesn’t necessarily total emphasis on a completely stiff shank like a mountaineering boot. Unless the shank matches a person’s foot specifically the shank will be a problem re. comfort/friction. Another thing to watch for with the European manufacturers is their standard last design. The majority of European boots are made with a curved last design and this does not match the typical North American foot shape which tends to be straighter and wider. Europeans walk a lot more than we do and therefore their feet have developed differently from ours here in NA. Statistically speaking they have narrower and slighlty curved feet. I see this problem in my practice (I’m a Pedorthist) all the time, where a person buys a high-end very well made alpine boot but it simply does not fit their foot properly. Insoles/orthotics can help with this but only so far. I would also suggest thinking creatively about the lacing system, you can add a TON of support with certain lacing techniques/designs and therefore cut a lot of material weight. Plus laces are easy to replace if required. If you would like to discuss my experience with feet/boots (10 years in practice) or if you are interested in a modular insole system like Danner and others offer, fire me an email. I’m in Vancouver.
Zamberlan are definitely among the best boots made. Take a close, objective look at the Crispi Highlander – this boot incorporated many of the features I would like to see – especially the integrated gaiter full gaiter system. If the inner boot were a bit taller and they used a different system of attaching the rand to the boot, I would be saying the perfect boot is already made. Unfortunately, this boot is going to cost more than most here want to spend – look at the current prices on the Zamberlan line. Sorry folks better and cheaper don’t co-exist well. I go away to hunt once a year, twice if I am lucky because of work/life realities. I will pay for the gear to ensure the equipment enhances, not detracts from the experience… and your boots are a key part of it!
8-10″
resolable
2 season options would be nice
lace close to toe
different insole options
earth tone colors
feel like a trailrunner but pack like a mountaineering boot
Jason,
Brad Christian from Button Buck turned me on to your gear and I am amazed by the innovation.
If it was really the best boot in the world it would have to be customized for the individual and built with your quality standards.
A technical mountain hunting boot that includes technology from state of the art mountaineering boots may be something different than some people are looking for based on the comments above. Sounds like there may be a need for several different models of boots.
Assuming we are talking about a boot for rock, scree, snow, ice, and tundra, and not a boot for mountains below timber line, the mountain hunting boot should include:
-Vibram brand sole.
-Be re-solable and re-buildable.
-Not include an integral gaiter.
-Include a good hook or loop for securing gaiters to the boot, not to the boot laces. I’ve had to replace a number of laces because they were damaged by the hook on the gaiters.
-Be robust enough to hold up well to abrasion from scree and rocks.
-Toe box must protect toes from stubbing on rocks.
-be stiff enough to do some front-pointing with crampons, but not as stiff as a dedicated ice climbing boot.
-Full rubber rand do make sole/boot interface waterproof, but also to help protect stitching from rock/scree damage.
-Gore tex liner is of little interest to me. Use high-tech impregnated leather, and I would handle the waterproofing from there. It should be a big step up in comfort/general usability from a plastic mountaineering boot.
-Boot should be lightweight, but needs to be more general purpose than some of the super-light purpose-built alpinism boots that have come on the market over the past few years.
-Neutral colors.
Good luck, I’m anxious to see what you come up with!
Personal wish list
1. 8″
2. Must be waterproof
3. Breathable
4. Light real light. You could even say ultralight 2-2.5. I like the idea of the minimalist platform.
5. Solid footbed i hate feeling rocks
6. A small loop to hook your gators to.
7. Uninsulated.
Thanks let me know how much so I can break the news to my wife!
Curious to know why the switch to Zamberlan when you’ve been talking up the Crispi boots in the past? I’m currently hunting Crispi and have heard great things about Zamberlan but didn’t see a solid reason to bounce to a new brand.
That said, here’s my $.02.
Height – 9″
Weight – Would love to see a solid mountain boot under 4 pounds a pair. Not sure if that’s possible but shoot for the stars!
Features – Rubber rand around the entire boot. Not sure what sort of speed lacing systems or a hybrid of that will work without adding break point gadgets like the BOA, but kevlar laces that pass through aluminum eyelets might do the trick. Haven’t seen anything I can’t live without yet, but I’m sure some engineering guru out there is developing something. I’d like to also see an integrated gaiter channel in the sole, like a little groove that will hide and protect the gaiter strap from being cut on talus or other rock. Full grain leather, minimal seams. Seams are weak points on a boot IMHO. 200-400 Thinsulate equivalent insulation but Thinsulate isn’t the way to go. Deratherm Ultimate that Crispi uses would get my vote but have it laminated to an eVent sleeve and not Goretex.
Stiffness – 3/4 shank with some ankle support aside from just the full grain leather
Use – Going long and hard without thinking twice
Breathability – One word: eVent
Crampon Compatible – I personally don’t think this is necessary. Sure, the sheep hunters may use crampons and honestly with the infrequency that most hunters will actually put crampons on I think the boot won’t need or require step in compatibility when there are solid strap-on crampons on the market. While I own multiple styles of crampons,(bail front, step in, straps) in a hunting boot I think it’s lighter and more widely practical to go without the step in crampon compatibility and wouldn’t feel it unreasonable to use a strap-on crampon with my hunting boots for snowfield and moderate glacier crossing.
ETC – med-semi wide width, narrow heel pocket as most guys I run into don’t suffer from a wide heel.
love the gaiter strap idea
It will all depend of what kind of hunting boot you want to build, Jason, as hunting conditions can vary so much that in no way can there be one boot that will cover all of them.
From KUIU I would expect a 3 season boot for the active mountain hunter. I would expext such a boot to be:
ankle high
light
waterproof
uninsulated
stiff
I would pay special attention to the lacing system, a good opportunity to make something efficient and distinctive.
Best wishes on your Sheep hunt!
Alvaro
Arche support. HIGH.
Is it possible to make a boot that will stand up to the abuse of the mountains and carrying a heavy pack as well as make one that is a great stalking boot, if so I would pay 500 or more for a pair that would do both.
also to add if you could do a foot trace for sizing similar to lathrop for proper width and size so it isnt a battle of shipping back and fourth
Just a few comments…
Tread is important, considering how we use the balls of or feet going up hill and the heels of our feet doing downhill, maybe the tread should account for that and have different patterns accordingly.
Ankle support, a slight stiffer support could help to make a minor roll if the ankle not such a big deal. I wonder why no one has come up with widely available custom or molded ankle supports like insoles…
Maybe have your readers send you pictures of their worn boots, that way you can see the most abused or worn out spots. My ankle area of the boot always seems to wear out first. And then the outside part of the tread on my heels.
Best if luck!
I’d pay anything to have a boot (not hiking shoe) that was 2.5 pounds or less with eVent/uninsulated. Don’t care about “lifetime” durability… give me 2-4 good seasons of use and I’d be happy.
My preference would include:
-10″
-rubber rand
-little to no insulation
-strong laces(with replacements)
-crampon compatible
-stiff, rugged and light weight.
P.S. I work as a surveyor at a mine and would love to have a pair of aluminum or composite toe mountain boots
to work in. Most steel toed work boots are either heavy and durable or light and junk. Make me a happy man Jason!
Unlike many on here who want them light I would like to see a boot that is all leather with full rubber rand/toe cap but triple stitched.
More beefy than my Hanwag Trapper ATXs that are about ready to give up the ghost after two seasons. Shale rips not only on the rands but right at the stitching.
They don’t have to be goretex or insulated but they need a very good foot rest.AB Brooks used to have triple stitched boots. Use Dyneema thread and people would pay.
Also offer corked soles as an option for ice and goat hunting.
Sincerely,
Thomas
Jason – Congrats on taking on this task. My first suggestion is to consider that a Mountain Hunter’s Boot and a Guide or Ultra-extreme Mountain Hunter’s (+30 days on the mtn a year) boot may have different priorities in terms of durability and weight. As a hunter, I love my Lowa Sheep hunters. When I spent 23+ days on the mountain recently, I loved my Hanwags even more mainly due to the lighter weight. So, my point is that Guides would pick durabiltiy as top priority, and I suspect most hunters would pick light weight as top priority. Being an engineer I’ll tell you not to include anything that doesn’t have function, function, function.
My attribute list: 1-100% Functional from a back packer’s mountain hunting system perspective; 2- Ultra-light; 3- Medium stiffness or more; 4-Sole lug that does not retain debris; 5- Sole material with wet rock traction; 6- Breathabilty depends on the system…If the boots will have removable inserts and I can alternate innerds and dry the shell nightly from a tent, then I’m good to go; 7-Water resistant is more important to me than water proof…Water proof has more to do with my gaitor/ultra-light & tuff quick on-quick off-over the boot wader system; 8- Crampon compatible is not important to me. Bottom line: I would probably only consider your boot if it is more functional and lighter than any other. Please remember the term “System”. My Kuiu hat is connected to my pack…is connected to my boots…and everything in between. The whole thing, including my brain must operate in unison as efficiently as possible in a use-prepare-reuse cycle so I can enjoy my passion and challenge my goal setting strategies to the fullest. Good Luck! – Dean
Perhaps I’m in the minority, but the rubber rand as been nothing but trouble for me. More likely is I’ve not been fitted well for a boot. I have owned a couple pair of different brand boots with the rubber rand and they all have caused me problems. Because there is no natural give or molding to the rubber I have problems with the rand squeezing my foot causing unbelievable foot pain. This happens when I stride forward causing the boot to pinch my feet together at the rand. Middle three toes burn until numb and it hurts bad enough to change my gate which then starts to make my knees hurt.
I have tested my theory to the point of wearing 12yr old worn out Merrill trail shoes on a 1,400ft climb and back down carrying 55-60lbs with absolutely no pain in the feet.
Again, I’m sure it is a fit issue, but the rubber rand has yet to become my friend.
To be custom fit with a specific boot mold used would be unreal! The reality and logistics of that I’m sure is a nightmare with a extremely large price tag. I’ve spent $300+ for boots that don’t work, so if they where in that ball park I would be in line with a lot of folks I’m sure of it.
Matt
If you can make them perform like the old scarpa invernos, but come in at @4lb, and eliminate the need for gaters you’ll have a winner with me.
No Goretex, booties fail and hold water!!!!!!!
Please look at Outdry-
Ive been using Outdry boots and gloves for over three years… So much better. Other then that would like to see a Light weight option under 20oz per boot and of course a HD version. Love my Gronell Tibets but I think this might be thier last year.. SO please hurry
Honestly, I don’t know much about different boots. That being said there are a few things that I would like to see/NOT see. First, please don’t make a boot in visa. That’s just stupid. Like an animal is going to notice the 6″ of brown on my feet after the gaiters cover everything else up. If I’m going to drop $500+ on a boot I want to be able to wear it when I’m not hunting and not look like a complete idiot. Just my .02. Insulation I would keep to a minimum, if at all. Having the option of different insulation would be nice, but probably not feasible from a production standpoint. So, I would probably go with no insulation and let people layer socks accordingly.
All that being said, this will probably be a product that I’m going to sit out on unless it’s amazing since Brendan talked me into getting the Schnees Granite boot, which I’m sure will last me at least a few seasons.
Forgot to mention that I do like the idea of a metal hook to attach your gaiters onto and a channel to run you gaiter’s strap through would be cool too
This is awesome. Zamberland or as my wife says Zombieland are the boot last best suited to my feet and I have tried on bunches, prolly most. The could use a more rounded toe for 3-5. They could use some help engineering a NA mountain hunting boot.
I have a pair of vios that I will use this fall with Crispis as backup. Makes one field goat-like.
An all around hunting backpacking boot is important… I packpack 9-10 months and big game hunt one.
I am in the market depending on how these turn out.
Height (whatever the Lowa Baffin and tibet are. Not much shorter, no taller.
A non Gortex,event etc option would be a plus. Sweaty feet are cold.
400 grams insulation or less – that’s what wool socks are for.
Rand – toe and heal. I shred my boots above the rand on the side anyhow and keeps boot from breaking in and conforming to foot.
Thick leather – soft leather and flexible soles are nice out of the box but…
Leather is a big deal. Some of the modern tans need Goretex.
Tread pattern and wear vs slippery Vibram needs consideration.
Crampon adaptable not a hard engineering feat and would not affect comfort.
Boots… A good idea.
I forgot to mention a hook on tongue for laces helps.
The extra Zamberland lace length, which I originally thought to be a PITA, is actually quite brilliant. Good luck with this. Stiff soles are good, plenty of not so stiff ones out there.
I am exited about this. At 55, I assume very pair of heavy duty boots I buy will be my last.
Bruce
he boot would first have to have good ankle support,must be made with high quality thick leather, double stitched seams, 8″ high, available in insulated & non insulated, a rubber rand around the boot for added protecton & be light in weight. I will be interested to see what you guys come up with, regardless im sure it will be a fantastic boot.
Seems to me that a top-end mountain boot would be a nice addition along with your plan for a “technical” boot. Something like the LOWA Ranger High is a 90% boot for the mountains, but if you are looking to hit the technical market (e.g. boots that edge well, are crampon compatible, and are light weight) your best options now are LaSportiva’s Trango, and others like it. Things that would be important to me for a boot that goes to the mountains are: 1: lightweight 2: supportive 3: stiff 4: crampon compatible 5: waterproof.
Best of luck in this new venture. I am excited to see what you and Zamberlan bring to the marketplace!
I am on my third pair of Zamberlans. All purchased in Vancouver at Mec. My new ones have an incredibly good weight to support ratio. They are leather with gore-tex . I would ad a rubber rand around the boot for rocks. and go with more of a rough-out leather ,at least on the toe cap,as the smooth leather takes a beating in the rocks .Not too stiff . Was guiding one year in a pair of full shank climbing boots ,they were way too stiff and heavy .(and noisy) I also prefer a shorter mountaineering typ boot with gators rather than a real tall boot that restricts movement. Looking forward to what develops.
I went on to the Zamberian website to check the platform your going off and did some reaserch.
Into there brand and what there known for.
HEIGHT: ———————————————————————
Have the boot portion above the ball of your ankle and the gaitor bout the same as the Everests.
FEATURES:——————————————————————–
Idea 1: IFFY it would work but A lighter Bootie then the RR’s not for wear outside but wearing um
in your sleeping bag and in the morning not have to put your feet in boots that froze sold
over night. I can see them being a pain and wiggling nothing worse then sliding feet.
Idea 2: I have excepted I am short and do not need a three inch sole.
Idea 3: A shoe pattern small rocks can not get stuck in and not to deep of a pattern I need a
knife to fish um out.
Idea 4: I used to work at a shoot range all throught highschool and have met MANY AK guides
who Rhino Line nearly everything. Including nearly there intire boots then wax there
shoe laces. It adds waterproofing and durabelity they allways say fabric = $%!^.
Idea 5: NO GORTEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Idea 6: Two searies summer and fall
Idea 7: Be able to take and change insoles.
STIFFNESS—————————————————————
The sole should be somwhat flexable for rocks but the side walls hard a a brick no twisted ankle.
CRAMPONS————————————————————–
Never used um but hell Im paying 400+ for these things so yah.
BREATHABILITY———————————————————–
More for the summer less for winter series
I just got back today from another typical AK sheep hunt.
Started sunny and ended in snow blowing horizontal, worth it though got my sheep!
I would like to see a design that incorporates the stability of a mountaineering boot but allows for a little more flex at the toe for kneeling and moving through the timber to get to the alpine. I currently use Kayland Hunter’s and feel there is a better compromise to be had when it comes to stiffness and comfort. Breathability is huge, I’ll be logging big tough miles so stinky, sweaty feet aren’t going to cut it. Hopefully some sort of scent control. Overall weight is a big factor and I feel that the boot’s I have now could be a little lighter. Water proof, but doesn’t have to be Gor-Tex. An early season and late season option would be great. I realize all of these things are trade offs but it sounds like your trying to build the best mountain hunting boot on the market so why not wish. Thanks for the opportunity for input. Chris